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A 4.0 Kg Pack Weight Is Possible

Discussion in 'What equipment should you use and take' started by Orava, Apr 14, 2015.

  1. Orava

    Orava Active Member

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    A few have commented on my pack weight being quite low on my "Packing for May" thread (even though I am taking camping gear) so I promised to post my pack list minus all the items I will need take to allow camping and cooking.

    If you get a good lightweight 33lt pack and go with a silk liner as a sleeping bag, then it is very possible to get below 4.0 kg, which for a medium build person could even give you sub 10% bodyweight including including 1 liter of water and all worn clothes.

    Using this as a basis for ones own pack list could still get you sub 5kg even with an extra 1 kg of luxuries and just-in-case items...

    Anyway, here is a suggested list to achieve a 4 kg pack weight which in my case would be sub 10% FSO including a litre of water:

    Camino Frances Pack List May 4 - June 10

    Superlight pack setup

    g Item
    840 Osprey Talon 33 litre backpack
    450 Summer weight sleeping bag Permethrin treated (could be dropped in warmer months)
    400 Cheapo rain jacket and trousers (or a 375g poncho would be even lighter) 196 Crocs (flip flops would be even lighter)
    179 Shemagh, quick drying towel, pillow case, scarf, sun shade, neck shade, blanket.
    117 Silk liner, Permethrin treated. - Alburgue sleeping bag.
    112 XL Karrimore drybag for pack liner
    48 Small plastic box with lid for food storage/bowl/cutting board
    40 Note book and pencil
    33 Map/Document drybag for credencial/route map/stages guide etc
    27 2 x27g Shop bought 500ml plastic water bottle to reuse

    Top pocket - Personal care drybag contents:
    150 Karrimore small drybag - 1st Aid and personal kit - plasters, Compeed plasters, wound dressing, bandage, mini sewing kit, Drugs - 10 Paracetamol 10 Ibuprofein, Imodium 8 tablets
    93 deo half full, mini toothpaste, travel toothbrush, ear plugs, detal floss
    90 Poop kit - mini wetwipes and half toilet roll
    50 Travel wash/shampoo 100ml - average contents 50g
    45 Vaseline tin
    35 Phone charger in thin plastic bag.
    28 Personal meds (35 days) average 28g
    20 Magnesium tablets x 30 - ave 20g
    20 Antiseptic cream

    In hip belt pouches:
    103 103 Swiss Army Knife, can, bottle opener, corkscrew, scissors, pliers, nail file, awl, tweezers, knife
    100 Phone with offline MiCamino app, camera, radio, music albums collection.
    25 Sun block SPF50 50ml - ave contents 25g
    24 Reading glasses
    17 Nail clippers
    17 Phone earphones in plastic bag
    7 Mini button CR2032 light

    Spare Clothes:
    260 Light thin fleece, full front zipper with inner and external pockets
    148 Quick drying shortsleeved Warmpeace shirt
    228 1 Spare quick drying shorts with internal money pocket. North Face (evening wear)
    142 2 x 71 Spare Merino socks
    60 1 Spare swimming trunks/briefs

    4104g Total pack weight

    Wear on trail:
    1080 Merrel Vibram light walking mid boot
    430 Lightweight zip off quick drying trousers with internal money pocket
    260 Craghopper Long sleeved spf technical shirt with collar and pockets
    166 Tilley hat- brimmed hat
    100 Lightweight belt with zipped compartment - passport photocopy, 200€ spare cash
    71 Merino wool socks
    61 Suunto watch
    60 Swimming trunks used as briefs
    36 Passport in sandwich bag in money pocket, plus insurance document copy
    33 Bandana, for neck, sweat/face flannel
    30 Sunglasses on Tilley hat
    28 Light wallet, debit and Visa cards, cash, insurance card, photos

    2355g Total worn items

    Height cm 175.0
    Weight kg 75.0
    Total pack weight 4104 g 5.47 % bodyweight
    Total pack weight PLUS 1000g water, no food 5104 g 6.81 % bodyweight
    Total pack inc 1000g water, no food, plus worn clothes 7459 g 9.95 % bodyweight

    Hope that's useful to anyone trying get the weight down. I can say that this sort of weight is pretty un noticeable on the trail.
     
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    Forgot to say that my pack WITH camping gear will be between 5 kg and 5.5kg. The extra weight is in the additional Poncho/tarp, bivy sack, Ti pot/mug, fuel, spork, pegs, guys, groundsheet etc.
     
  3. fraluchi

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    What? :eek:No water, food and decent bottle of Rioja wine?:(
     
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    fraluchi - base weight of course. There will be 750 cl of the red stuff already consumed plus a hearty 10 pm dinner inside me, just a tea bag and a litre of water to keep me going till mornin. Rioja in Rioja only of course.
     
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    Hi Orava
    Great list one thing extra you might like to consider is Old type nappie pins the ones with the covers on the end. Clothes pegs are always in short supply on the Camino and you can pin socks etc, on your back if they did not dry overnight also on your string line when camping, you never know what you might need to tuck in after losing a few Kgs along the way. I never go anywhere without them.

    Buen Camino
    Oldman
     
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    Orava, you're a marvel for packing light:) The average pilgrim/walker should know that along the way and in little towns/villages one can purchase many a small item which one thinks should be carried from home. Clothes pegs for example: local housewives couldn't do without them.:cool:
     
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    Brilliant list, well done.
     
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    Oldman - safety/nappy pins - good tip thanks.
     
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    What incredible detail, this will be of great help to others. Thanks
     
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    Hi Leslie,
    Sorry about the above reply being blank.
    I tried to attach a comparison between your Superlight Packing and mine, but I could not find a way to attach it.
    My total pack plus water plus clothes worn comes out at 10.1% compared to your 9.95% so I am not far away.
    I have more spare clothes than you but less "stuff". I have a sweatshirt, long trousers and gloves that you don't have. If I got rid of those items I would get 9.1%.
    My question is, do I need a sweatshirt, long trousers and gloves if I am walking from the 28th of May until the 28th of June?
    Cheers, Kiwi.
     
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    Hi Kiwi,

    When checking your pack weight percentage, do not include the clothes you are wearing.

    I have walked the Camino Frances twice in May/June and I have attached my packing list for you to look at. You will notice that I like to walk totally disconnected from home in order to fully connect with the Camino, so no phone, no music, no wifi, just keep it very simple. Also no sleeping bag just a silk liner which is OK at that time of year as I find blankets are available at Albergues if I need them.

    I can't see your packing list so can't comment on it.

    Buen Camino,

    Mike
     

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    Hi Mike,
    Thanks for the list. Like you I have no phone, no music and no wifi for the same reasons. I am thinking about a silk liner.
    I am not computer savy so can not attach a list, so the following is the best I can do.

    This goes in my pack.
    1 pair shorts, 1 Tee shirt, 1 long sleeve shirt, 1 light trousers, 2 pr socks, 2 pr underpants, 1 sweatshirt, 1 windbreaker, 1 poncho, 1 pr jandals (flip flops), 2 handkerchiefs, 1 pillowcase, 250g shower gel, razor, toothbrush, comb, 1 towel, 1 wash cloth, camera charger, power adaptor, earplugs, torch, knife fork spoon, pencil & notepads, Bandaids (plasters), needle & thread, Toilet roll, gloves, sink plug, scallop & stone, clothesline and safety pins, medication (heart), Ibuprofen, 4 plastic cable ties, very small padlock, 750ml stainless steel water bottle.

    This all comes to 5.5kg including the pack and the full water bottle.

    This is 7.7% of my body weight.

    The weight of my pack and contents without the water at 4750g is close to yours so I hope I am on the right track.

    I see you have a Brierly Map Guide and Albergue List. Do you think a guide is necessary?

    Cheers,
    Kiwi
     
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    I really like all your suggestions. i was just thinking about my own packing list. I am planning a april/ may camino and was wondering about a few items. First my shoft windjacket, i always wear it here in the netherlands when i go hicking but i can not bring a rain coat, windjacket and fleece, so i your opinions which one should stay home?
    next dillema is how many tshirts i will bring, i was thinking of 2, plus a long sleeve, that would bring me tot 3 shirts. or is the extra t shirt unnecessery?

    hope you can help me with these dillema's ;)
     
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    Hi Kiwi,

    Your list looks good. I took the Brierley maps, not the full guide book, as it is light and useful. I don't book ahead, just walk each day and see where I get to. The maps are useful in working out how far it is between possible stopping places. If you don't want to take the maps, then the attached Albergue list also gives you the distances between them and you can print it and take it with you.

    Buen Camino,

    Mike
     

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    @Nina vdl you want to go in april/may, so you must take little more things to wear, because that time can be cold (I was in camino in june/july and in mornings was 12-13 degree C) Rain coat is a must in every time. I think you must take all - wind jacket (how thick is..?) and fleece too, but best of all is opinion from someone who walked that time.
    2tshirts plus long sleeve is fine. For weather with very different temperature is good to bring clothes you can wear in many layers in case of cold or separately in warm. Buen camino!
     
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    Hi Mike,
    Thanks for the list. It is just what I want. I have printed it out and it is ready to go with me.
    I am fairly sure that I have everything planned and ready to go except that I have one nagging doubt. During June, what are my chances of getting into a Pilgrims Public Hostel anywhere at about 5:00pm in the evening? I want to take my time and look at everything and enjoy the whole experience without rushing. I know that some people start in the dark and rush to the next albergue to make sure that they get a bed. I would prefer the public albergues for two reasons. 1. I don't have much money (I am a pensioner) 2. I want to enjoy the company of other people.
    Cheers,
    Kiwi
     
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    @Kiwi to find free bed in municipal albergue around 5pm in June will be somewhere a problem. I was I some albergues which were full that time, and it was for 100 beds (albergue padres reparadores)
     
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    Hi Kiwi,

    I agree with danvo, arriving around 5pm will often be too late to get a bed in a muni.

    In June the weather gets very hot, so people start early to get finished around lunchtime to avoid the afternoon heat. If you can start let's say around 7am, you may well arrive at your destination by 1 or 2pm by which time the temperatures will normally be climbing into the high 30's.

    Buen Camino,

    Mike
     
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    Thanks Mike and Danvo.
    I am a very early riser and expect to be walking by 6:00am every morning. It looks like I will have to spend a bit less time sightseeing on the way and spend more time investigating the towns that I stop for the night in. I certainly want to spend some of that time socialising with fellow perigrinos.

    Cheers,
    Kiwi
     
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    Kiwi - Good luck with your camino in May. Apologies for forsaking this thread ( I have not got thread notifications turned on or something).

    Having walked the CF May 2015 I can repost what I'd now take in the light of that experience ( might do the Via de la Plata this year!).

    This is what I'd take next time:

    Superlight pack setup

    g Item
    840 Osprey Talon 33 litre backpack
    No sleeping bag
    375g poncho
    196 Crocs (flip flops would be even lighter)
    179 Shemagh, quick drying towel, pillow case, scarf, sun shade, neck shade, blanket.
    117 Silk liner, Permethrin treated. - Alburgue sleeping bag.
    112 XL Karrimore drybag for pack liner
    48 Small plastic box with lid for food storage/bowl/cutting board
    40 Note book and pencil
    33 Map/Document drybag for credencial/route map/stages guide etc
    27 2 x27g Shop bought 500ml plastic water bottle to reuse

    Top pocket - Personal care drybag contents:
    150 Karrimore small drybag - 1st Aid and personal kit - plasters, Compeed plasters, wound dressing, bandage, mini sewing kit, Drugs - 10 Paracetamol 10 Ibuprofein, Imodium 8 tablets
    93 deo half full, mini toothpaste, travel toothbrush, ear plugs, detal floss
    90 Poop kit - mini wetwipes and half toilet roll
    50 Travel wash/shampoo 100ml - average contents 50g
    No Vaseline tin this time time (the day after I "treated" my feet one time they were baby soft and I was like a greenhorn on hot coals despite being 500km through the CF) ...just saying...maybe it is just me but I won't use vaseline again.
    35 Phone charger in thin plastic bag.
    28 Personal meds (35 days) average 28g
    20 Magnesium tablets x 30 - ave 20g
    20 Antiseptic cream

    In hip belt pouches:
    103 103 Swiss Army Knife, can, bottle opener, corkscrew, scissors, pliers, nail file, awl, tweezers, knife
    100 Phone with offline MiCamino app, camera, radio, music albums collection.
    25 Sun block SPF50 50ml - ave contents 25g
    24 Reading glasses
    17 Nail clippers
    17 Phone earphones in plastic bag
    7 Mini button CR2032 light

    Spare Clothes:
    260 Light thin fleece, full front zipper with inner and external pockets
    148 Quick drying shortsleeved Warmpeace shirt
    228 1 Spare quick drying shorts with internal money pocket. North Face (evening wear)
    142 2 x 71 Spare Merino socks
    60 1 Spare swimming trunks/briefs

    3625 g Total pack weight
    For me that is 4.83% body weight (75kg).

    Wear on trail:
    1080 Merrel Vibram light walking mid boot
    430 Lightweight zip off quick drying trousers with internal money pocket
    260 Craghopper Long sleeved spf technical shirt with collar and pockets
    166 Tilley hat- brimmed hat
    100 Lightweight belt with zipped compartment - passport photocopy, 200€ spare cash
    71 Merino wool socks
    61 Suunto watch
    60 Swimming trunks used as briefs
    36 Passport in sandwich bag in money pocket, plus insurance document copy
    33 Bandana, for neck, sweat/face flannel
    30 Sunglasses on Tilley hat
    28 Light wallet, debit and Visa cards, cash, insurance card, photos

    2355g Total worn items

    Using a shemagh as a towel may not be everyone's cup of tea ( not very absorbent and a bit chilly) but it worked for me and the shemagh dried in no time, so will take it again. Also handy on the Mesata as a drape over the brimmed hat and shoulders.

    Hope that's useful.
     
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    Hi Orava,
    179 grams for Shemagh, quick drying towel, pillow case, scarf, sun shade, neck shade, blanket. That seems a bit light. What sort of blanket are you talking about?
    Everything else makes sense. You are taking less spare clothing than me, but not much. I am thinking about a phone so that I can keep in contact with my wife while I am away without having to rely on emails when I can.
    Cheers,
    Kiwi
     
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    Kiwi - A shemagh is an arab style headscarf ( desert ). It's a 3.5 foot square of light cotton. 6 oz or 179g. See Amazon to check one out. Cheap. The military use them and they are great to use over a brimmed hat on sunny shadeless stretches as long as u don't mind looking like you are on holiday from the Intifada.

    It was a bit chilly and clamy using it as a towel it in early May in the early days of my 2015 camino on the CF but as the weather warmed up it was fine. I will be taking it on the via de la Plata I am planning this year as the weather will be a lot warmer down south.

    I guess it comes down to the level of creature comforts people like but for me I just used it to swab off excess moisture post shower and then " air dried". I also said goodbye to my mop of curls a few years back and have since sported a 3mm Kojak so that helps a lot. It also dries in about 10 mins hanging off the back of the rucksack.

    Phone - I used a super light early model (5 years old) Samsung smartphone at 100g. My newer one is much much bigger and heavier so I will break out the old one again to take on camino. Just remember to turn off data to avoid roaming charges and only use via wifi only at cafes and alburges (only had a couple of occassions where there was no wifi). I used the app "Whatsapp" to text, voice message send photos.
     
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    Kivi - Clothing...I found that if you are not wearing it or it is not being washed/dried then it is extra weight to carry. If you like to look dapper in the eve then you will need and extra shirt than me. I found there were limited occassions when a neat eve shirt would have come in handy but then again I was more of a donativo client than the Parador Hotel.
     
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    Question - you are wearing a pair of pants/shorts and one pair for evening. This means you are wearing the same pair day in and day out to walk in on the trail?
    I'm not planning on taking a fleece, just a long sleeve, light weight merino for if/when cool. Is this adequate for July/August to cover the cooler parts of day/evening?
     
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    Did your evening clothes dry by the end of your hiking day? Were your evening clothes dry by the time you finished hiking for the day? Guessing you must of washed your evening clothes in the morning before leaving? My plan was wear hiking gear and a spare hiking singlet and shorts and then one change for the end of the day. Sounds like I have one set too much???
     
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    checked in - a week to go - 6Kg
    without water or food
    I weight 85Kg so I think I've scored well :)
     
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    I took only two sets of clothing with me in May/June but found that although my Craghopper shirts dried overnight, my merino socks and underwear were not always dry by morning. On fine days I hung them on the backpack to dry, but that was not always possible. My pack weighed around 7.5kg and next time I will take 2 spare sets - the extra weight will be negligible.
     
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    That's a great weight! I honored the traditional wisdom of carring no more than 10% of my body weight and had my backpack at 8 kg. What I learned is that I could have and should have pared it down even more. I brought more than I "really" needed. On my next Camino, I will definitely shoot for a lower weight (such as your kg). As the title of one Camino book reads, "To Walk Far, Carry Less." Your shoulders and back will thank you!
     
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