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Catholics On Camino Pilgrimage

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by BenL, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. BenL

    BenL The Burghers of Calais

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    I participate in a Camino FB Group, that was set up for Americans. So, before this post is mis-perceived, let me upfront set the baseline that the Camino is open to Everyone and provides to All, whatever said pilgrim/Camino walker needs.

    That said, it was clear from a recent posting on said FB Group, that a forum that was geared towards Catholics, would allow this 'subset' of pilgrims to have their spiritual discussions and sharings within a Catholic community, without appearing to impose their beliefs and practices on a more general audience.

    Thus, a Closed FB Group called 'Catholics On Camino Pilgrimage' was recently set up. There's no restriction on nationality etc, as long as you are interested in a more in-depth discussion from a Catholic perspective, and respect the group participants.

    Here's the link to this FB Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/227889631282496/

    Peace to you.

    p/s. Due to time zone differences around the world, please be patient with the approvals to join this FB Group.
     
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    UnkleHammy Well-Known Member

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    I'm not Catholic but I am an Episcopalian. I'll join the group later on and see if I am ok with it.
     
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    I don’t think that I would join a group that has a name that would indicate that if you aren’t a catholic then you would somehow not be welcome and, I would worry IF that was the case, that if the people who wish to have “spiritual discussions and sharings within a Catholic community, without appearing to impose their beliefs and practices on a more general audience” would be less than welcoming to none Catholics on Camino ??

    In my own experiences of Camino walking, religion has rarely if ever been an issue that has been debated and, to me, one of the Beauties of Camino Walking is that “We are all the same” regardless of age, background, ethnicity and religion and Long May the Camino remain like that !!

    Best Regards

    Rob
     
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    BenL The Burghers of Calais

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    Rob,
    Thanks for sharing these perceptions, as it may be held by others. Thus, I would like to strongly address these mis-perceptions. NON-CATHOLICS ARE WELCOMED in this Closed Group. In addition, I do wish to rebut without equivocation, any inference that Catholics participating in this Closed Group will be less welcoming to non-Catholics on the Camino.

    Let me address the above two points in your opening paragraph.

    1. We already have had non-Catholics joining the Closed Group as they desire an interest in understanding the Catholic perspectives/experiences of the Camino. There's no discussions whatsoever that alienates any group that does not profess the Catholic religion.
    2. As you know, people walk the Camino for all sorts of reasons. Well, there's a group of Catholics that walk the Camino as a pilgrimage (as you can see from the name of the Closed Group) and would like to have the (safe) space to discuss this.
    3. Let me share two specific examples of discussions that have already taken place in the Closed Group. Firstly, we had a thread going on about confessions with priests which is a Catholic sacrament. Obviously, if you are a non-Catholic, this is totally irrelevant. Secondly, for 'non-spiritual' Camino walkers, attending Masses is not on their list. Note: I do not mean 'observing' Masses. For Catholics who view this as a pilgrimage, this is something we look forward to. Because of this Closed Group, we had someone share a Spanish -> English Mass translation, which now makes it more meaningful for Catholics who do not understand Spanish and are attending Mass. This resource might also be useful to other Christians that desire to attend Spanish Masses (I, myself have attended other denominational masses before).

    Finally, you have this sentence, "In my own experiences of Camino walking, religion has rarely if ever been an issue that has been debated". As everyone now better understands the intent and illustrative content of the Closed Group, one can clearly see that the Closed Group was not set up to 'debate religion'. And the fact that this was even considered in the first place, does highlight why this safe space was set up.

    As I said, the Camino Provides to All, based on their needs.

    In summary, for some of us Catholics, the Camino is a pilgrimage. Which requires a different level of discourse and sharing among like-minded Catholics.

    Peace.

    p/s. I didn't want to use the adjective 'safe' in my response, but there were certain wordings/phrases in the posting that I 'perceived', rightly or wrongly, that I felt the need to use it. Thanks once again for surfacing this, so that I had this opportunity to address this.
    p/s. I am cool if other groups, such as 'Protestants on Camino', 'Evangelicals on Camino', 'Atheists/Agnostics on Camino', etc wish to set up their own FB Closed Group. I do not have any perceptions about ill-meaning discourse, or that they will act or be un-welcoming on the Camino. The fact that anyone is drawn to the Camino means they are seeking something positive.
     
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    BenL

    Thank you for posting your explanation of your thoughts and reasoning’s – I sort of understand where you are coming from, but still think it’s a shame if/when specialised closed “Groups” have to be formed as people (like me) will wonder what is behind this – I Love the None Divisiveness of the spirit of Camino Walking and think that anything that threatens this could be detrimental, so, I wish you all the best with your debates, but don’t think I will be joining your group – I do however hope that those that do chose to join will post their thoughts on the group’s activities on here.

    Best Wishes

    Rob
     
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    BenL The Burghers of Calais

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    Rob,

    I am reluctant to respond to your latest post, but feel compelled to speak out for the community that has gathered in the Closed Group. This is more so, when you have broadcast a suggested action to others that might be mis-interpreted.


    1. All citizens of free nations value and benefit from the right to freedom of assembly. A group of Catholics are exercising said rights under this Facebook Closed Group. However, unlike other Closed Groups, we have stated that this is open to non-Catholics, who wish to understand and respectfully participate in the sharings of our Group.

    2. Let’s respectfully agree to disagree whether the formation of this Closed Group creates divisiveness and subtracts from the Camino spirit. There is none from our perspective, and if others perceive otherwise, then I would kindly suggest they look inward.

    3. From your latest posting - “I do however hope that those that do chose to join will post their thoughts on the group’s activities on here.”

    a. The Way exists because of St. James’ own missionary journey. As Catholics, like other Christian brethren, we are preparing our own Camino pilgrimage. How we prepare and share our journey within our community, does not detract from the potential and outcome of the other’s own Camino journey/experiences. In addition, all of the Closed Group members are active contributors of non-religious postings in the general forums.

    b. While I appreciate it may not be the intent, I will be saddened, but I do not fear, if non-Catholics are motivated to join just to report on the group’s activities. Let me make myself clear, anyone, Catholic or non-Catholic, in the Closed Group can share anything about the discourse in said Group to another forum. There’s total transparency, as our discourse is founded on the same faith as St James.

    c. Finally, my original posting was an invite. You have declined, and I respect that. Let’s leave it at that without muddying the waters about 'divisiveness', about 'posting thoughts on group’s activities', etc. Otherwise, we will have another discourse on the subject of self-appointed guardians of the Camino.


    Peace.
     
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    Gerry Vandermaat Donating Member Donating Member

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    Well that was an interesting thread. :)
     
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    Crepes4Suzette Well-Known Member

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    LOL, Gerry. You've given me the day's best laugh:D! I agree. It was an interesting thread.
     
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    BenL The Burghers of Calais

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    Glad some cheer came out of that. Have a great weekend.
     
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