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  1. UnkleHammy

    UnkleHammy Well-Known Member

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    These are a few street maps from important cities on the Camino.
    20170518_071947.jpg Pamplona
     
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    20170522_054145.jpg 20170522_054156.jpg Burgos
     
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    20160504_161438.jpg Saint Jean
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    Hey Pilgrims - As overwheming as all the information may seem on the maps, the system of yellow arrows and scallop shells will keep you headed in the right direction most of the time. In fact, the Camino is well signed, but invariably, you're going to take a wrong turn occasionally (it's all part of the Camino experience). Because the signage is so good, when you don't see a marker for a while then you may very well be off course. Time to ask for help! The cities, as UnkleHammy's maps indicate, are the hardest part of navigating on the CF. Getting into the center of town is often easier than getting out (at least in my experience). Add to that an early morning start in the dark and cities can present a good challenge even to those with a good internal compass. In any case, I always looked for fellow pilgrims to help point The Way if I was at all unsure or if I wasn't seeing the arrows as frequently as I thought I should. In any case, it's a good adventure, but most of us look forward to leaving the cities and getting back to the country. Thanks for the maps UnkleHammy. Buen Camino!
     
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    20170515_050309.jpg This is a typical way marker in Pamplona. They are on the sidewalk/road about every 10 to 20 meters.
     
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    Hi Wily

    Good advice on seeking help sooner rather than later. Earlier this year on leaving Santo Domingo de la Calzada we unwittingly took a wrong turn. We saw a couple of pilgrims ahead so presumed we were on the right track. Unfortunately they were heading in the wrong direction. Luckily a helpful local came along and set us back on our Way.

    Later the same day, leaving Granon we again took a wrong turn (my internal compass was way off that day) and we ended up walking a long lonely road without any facilities. Eventually we got back on track at Castildelgado after taking a long loop around an escarpment but by that time we were pretty low on water and had eaten our trail bars. It wasn't a huge mistake but it made a long walk even longer. So my lesson is don't press on if you aren't really sure. Walk back to your last way marker and make sure you are on the right track.

    Buen Camino

    Greg
     
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    Great pics Unklehammy. I have to admit I'm never sure which way you are supposed to follow the signs. Do you walk in the direction of the "rays" of the shell or towards its back :) ?

    Buen Camino

    Greg
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    Hey Greg - I believe one walks in the direction of the rays. There are times when that tiny bit of information helps choose the right path.

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    NOT when you walk Los Caminos Del Norte !
     
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    @El Condor 2014 I'm still not sure about direction if I see shell. So if I take Wily's picture, what is right direction (especially on Norte?) - to the right?
     
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    I think in Pamplona it is maximum 5m. Totally best marked town on Camino.
    Thanks for all your maps!
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    Hey Danvo - As I best remember, the direction would be where the rays are pointing. So, when looking at this marker, I'd go to the left. The marker in my photo is in Galicia and it seems that they pretty consistently pointed the direction.
     
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    You see Danvo, that is what I would have originally thought (i.e. towards the back of the shell) but I think it might be to the left!!!!
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    We'll have to ask UnkleHammy, but from his photo, I'd say that his feet are probably pointing in the direction to travel which coincides with the shells rays.
     
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    I don't remember how I took this picture. However the next marker was usually in view from the one that I was standing on.
     
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    We were told that we should go in the direction of the rays- until you enter Galicia, when it reverses! No wonder we got lost!
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    IMG_0214.JPG A marker combining the two symbols along the Portugués (while still in Portugal).
     
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    20170623_191318.jpg 20170623_191318.jpg I was pretty sure that on The Frances they point in the directions of the rays, BUT on the NORTE ( specially the old shell signs) you go on the direction opposite the rays.
     
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    Tapia to the right, Camino to the left ( If you are at this sign I suggest you go via Tapia and don't forget to check the Natural pool at Tapia 20170620_091620.jpg
     
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    Yes , if you are doing del Norte , you go Right.
     
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    Condor: That depends if you are at the beginning or the end or el Norte: as explained in one of the Camino directions websites: "One of the most curious facts about waymarking is the direction of the shell, which changes upon entering Galicia. In Asturias, the shell works as an imaginary arrow with the narrower part “pointing” in the right direction. However, in Galicia, it is the other way around, the wider (opening) part of the shell point toward Santiago".
     
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    Wily Camino Francés 2016; Camino Portugués 2017

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    Hey Folks - To add to our discussion, let me reference a similar discussion on another forum.

    https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/camino-signage-which-way-to-point.49283/

    My favorite post in this thread has to do with the shell not indicating direction at all:

    [​IMG] : it's a logo, designed by the Council of Europe (nothing to do with the EU) and Spain. It does not indicate a direction. It's the logo for the CoE's Cultural Route named "Santiago De Compostela Pilgrim Routes". They awarded the title in 1987 and created the logo a few years later. The logo indicates that you are on such a route.

    The logo must always be in the position as shown above, never rotated in any way. Obviously, quite a few of those who use the logo on some kind of home-made or self-styled sign, and of those who see it, are not aware of this
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    So, as another posted, only the yellow arrows indicate direction, not the shells. The shell is only the trail marker.

    From http://www.elpelegrino.com.br/2014/dicas/Manuais/ManualMOPU.pdf , there's an interesting diagram that would suggest that if the shell were or is used for direction, then the base of the shell should point to Santiago.

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    Hey Greg - as you head westward from Fromista next week, you know you now have a homework assignment, don't you? Buen Camino!
     
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    All very enlightening :)

    I will do my best to do my homework.....hopefully the dog won't eat it!

    Only two days to Madrid!

    Buen Camino All

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    Great post @Wily, and it makes sense !
    @calowie here is another photo ( I don't think is in Galicia ), Tapia is in Asturias, Also please note that approaching Ribadeo after you walk along the big bridge there is a Marker with the shell pointing the wrong way ( My Buen Camino apps warned me about it )
    Yes, follow the arrows , but then again see the photo
    Now that I have confused everyone , Buen Camino ! LOL !
     

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    And to add to the confusion ! ARROW.Shell[1].jpg
     
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    This all started out as a simple subject and this discussion shows how easy it is to get lost.
     
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